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May 2024 update

An unfortunately quiet month ended yesterday, with the announcement that Richmond would join the Patriot League for football beginning in 2025. Between leaving the CAA and an updated roster, let’s check on where things stand.

Tons of high school offers went out this past week, but the big news happened back in April.

The standout QB from local Collegiate High School verbally committed to UR in April, a huge recruiting win for the staff. Callaghan had offers from Western Michigan (when Billy Cosh was there), Stony Brook (once Cosh got hired), Temple, and Virginia Tech. You won’t see us win too many guys going against VT, and it’s even sweeter when he’s a QB. If Virginia Tech and Billy Cosh want this kid, you know he’s a good get. We’re 2+ years from seeing him in any meaningful game action but this a big win early into 2024.

Right now we’re at 84 total:

A few things to note from the roster:

  • This is a smaller roster right now, as we’ve operated in the high 80s the past two seasons, however that could still change with portal additions
  • The five states with the most student athletes are Virginia (over 25% of the roster), Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Maryland, and New Jersey
  • Recruiting strong freshman classes is still this staff’s strategy, as we have another year of 15+ incoming freshmen

We may still add a few to this number over the next month or so, but no matter what it looks like we’ll play with a number in the mid-80s this season.

The most unsurprising news in UR football history. There’s always been talk of UR moving to a lesser league, but I think we all hoped the day would never come.

One of the main points of the pro-Patriot League arguments states that Richmond is more closely aligned with the schools and fanbases in the conference. Was that an issue 10 years ago when we were part of a dominant CAA? JMU and Delaware aren’t anything like UR, yet it never was mentioned. What about basketball? St. Louis, Dayton, VCU, George Mason, etc. don’t really align with UR – should we go Patriot League for everything? They’ve also said our fanbase is closer to these schools, as UR tends to draw from the northeast. Isn’t our goal to expand our footprint, not solely focus on one area? Also, are alumni in Pennsylvania suddenly coming to a UR @ Bucknell game in November? If so, then great, but that feels like a reach.

This is the part that scares me the most, as it seems the Board is more than happy to take a step down in conference to rub shoulders with those they feel fit the school more, even if it means lower caliber football. The Patriot League typically is a one-bid league, although they’ve had a few at-large bids recently. It’s a very different mindset to suddenly be a big fish in a small pond and I’m unsure Richmond is ready to commit to that. Even when those around you aren’t spending or recruiting to a certain level, are we willing to maintain our standard? As it stands right now, we should be shooting for 7-1 on an annual basis – five years from now, will we be content with a winning conference record and merely making the FCS playoffs, not searching to find ourselves back in the quarters/semis and beyond? I sadly could see that happening. It’s a very different mindset between winning your conference and being a force in the FCS playoffs, one that (right now) is difficult to maintain in the Patriot.

And yes, the Patriot League has been better in recent seasons, but let’s not forget they only recently allowed the maximum number of scholarships for FCS football (63). That doesn’t count Georgetown, who doesn’t fund football scholarships still, so UR just joined a league that has a team full of non-scholarship athletes (similar to Davidson in the Pioneer League). Based on that, is the Patriot League ready to become a strong east coast FCS conference if the CAA continues to collapse? It sure doesn’t sound like it.

For now, the unknown makes all of this difficult. However, it could still lead to some optimistic outcomes. One is that UR was proactive, not reactive. This is not a school known for sticking their neck out there when it comes to sports, so being an early domino to fall is somewhat encouraging. Is the CAA going anywhere but down? Likely not, and rather than sit around we went ahead and made a change. Do I think the alumni base will be more excited about playing Georgetown and Lehigh? Not really, but were they going to be excited about playing NC A&T, Bryant, and Monmouth? Also no.

We also have to consider that it’s unlikely we’re the only team the Patriot League adds. If we stay at 8-teams entering 2025 that’d be disastrous, however I’m guessing this league grows to 10. Where does Villanova fit in all of this? They’re already right in the heart of the current Patriot League and are similar to UR in that they’ve got a completely different basketball conference. For me, adding them is a must – I don’t think this goes well without the Wildcats following us. It immediately says that the Patriot wants to be a multi-bid league, which is a big step. Everyone keeps mentioning William & Mary however I’m more skeptical of them. They’re a full-time CAA member so a Patriot League football-only move doesn’t make sense to me. They’d be a great 10th team to add but I’m not holding my breath.

No matter who else the Patriot does or doesn’t add, I still don’t see how this is better than the established Southern Conference. With Elon and Campbell nearby and the SoCon consistently getting multiple teams into the FCS bracket, it feels like that’s the better immediate option for expansion. The SoCon also has ESPN+, which was a selling point of the Patriot League. We can all agree anything is better than Flo Sports, but the SoCon having the same TV deal as the Patriot League removes another benefit of the Patriot League over other options.

What this comes down to is UR’s true motivation for this move. If we really were unhappy in the CAA and are set on finding a stable conference that we can shift towards the top of the FCS, then it’s encouraging to see us making strides towards that. If we’re more than happy just having a “good” football program in a conference that will never produce more than two bids in a season, then things look bleak. It’s hard for me to see how this was better for the program than the SoCon, as the “aligned schools and fanbases” just doesn’t do it for me. But who knows, maybe there’s more shake-up and we end up somewhere else come 2026.

Comments are open – very curious to hear everyone’s thoughts

22 responses to “May 2024 update”

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    Anonymous

    I think we should be comparing schedules rather than leagues. Patriot isnt as good of a league but will our schedule be weaker? especially with Delaware gone after this year, we won’t be playing the top teams in the CAA anyway. If Villanova gets added to 10 team Patriot League and we’re able to keep the W&M game, then I think our schedule is as tough or better then what we’ll be getting in a failing CAA.

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      Anonymous

      What do you think about this idea and how our schedule will compare?

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      1. RollSpides Avatar

        Yeah, viewing it from scheduling is a good angle. Villanova to me is the key from a commitment and schedule side of things. If we keep the W&M game then that’s fine, it’s more of how does the rest of the Patriot progress? If the current bottom feeders don’t do much then our SOS will always be weak, barring multiple difficult OOC games.

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    Anonymous

    If the Patriot League adds Villanova I am okay with the move. The CAA lost JMU and UD and replaced them with A&T/Hampton/Bryant- is the Patriot League worse than these teams? I don’t think so, and with UR/Nova joining the PL will be at level with the CAA.

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    1. RollSpides Avatar

      Agreed, Nova makes this a lot easier. But the thought of what the SoCon could be is tough.

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      Neil Hutcher

      I’m concerned this is first step to the same road as Mens Soccer??

      I think I’ve attended more home and away games than all others. This could be coming to an end.

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      1. RollSpides Avatar

        that’s the fear of many, but I think we’re far off from that level. Always appreciate your support Neil, hope that continues

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    Anonymous

    Villanova is definitely the key. that being said, it feels like we were going to have a weak SOS in the CAA anyway so I don’t see this as a big step down. Would you agree? Also, I wonder if we should be looking at the really big picture of college enrollment trends? The Patriot League schools are unlikely to have massive drops in enrollment/tuition income/donations that’s happening at many other schools. This could put these schools in a stronger position long term than the CAA or SoCon schools. Or maybe I’m overthinking it?

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      Their stability could put them in a stronger position, but are they going to use that to continue to advance football? I have no doubts Bucknell is a stable university but does that translate to athletics/FCS football? That the question for me and the question I don’t have with the SoCon. If the Patriot uses this to become consistent & strong in football then it no doubt trumps whatever the CAA will be in a few years

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        Anonymous

        That makes sense. Thanks for the explanation.

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    Anonymous

    Have it on a reliable source that Richmond expects Villanova to follow them to the PL. The Tribe also are looking to join but there are obviously more hurdles for them as they are CAA in all sports. Timeline for Nova and/or Tribe is undetermined.

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      Glad to hear – the Nova part isn’t surprising as the fit is exact to UR, also I doubt we made the move alone. Them alone at least gives me hope there’s a chance this plays out fine, w/ W&M as a bonus. Thanks for sharing

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    Anonymous

    Well done opinion RollSpides. I was disappointed that we apparently didn’t seriously consider the Southern Conference as an option, or make any apparent effort to fix the CAA. However, since the initial emotions of the announcement and learning more about the Patriot League I’ve become more optimistic that the move could turn into a winner. President Hallock said yesterday in his remarks that the University’s support for football would not change. I’ll take him at his word until I see otherwise. Your point about UR football sinking to the PL mean was a good one, but I’m willing to keep an open mind until I see what happens. My two biggest concerns are can we continue to recruit the types of players we’ve had that were capable of CAA Championships and FCS Playoff runs to the PL and can we save the W&M rivalry. Coach Huesman and the staff will carry these challenges in addition to having to hold the team together with the PL decision looming. He’ll have his hands full doing that in addition to winning on the field. It’s unfortunate that the decision has alienated so many long time fans. I hope when emotions calm, they’ll reconsider and continue to support the program until its clearer how this will all turn out. One thing’s for sure it’s going to be interesting!

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    1. RollSpides Avatar

      Thank you – I do think the shock played a big part, and I’ll likely bring this topic back up in a month once that has worn down. The “Patriot League” fear has always been real, but that was in a different landscape. And you’re right, we won’t be short on excitement!

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    Anonymous

    I’ll preface this with the fact that I haven’t done much research on any exact numbers… but my understanding is that the SoCon is very particular about who they admit into their league. Not sure if that’s due to unified opinions of all the schools or a stubborn few but nonetheless there hasn’t been much change.

    Looking at Russ leaving one of the better teams in the SoCon to come to UR, I’m assuming he didn’t take a pay cut. And I’ll go on a limb and say we spend more than most if not all teams in that conference. Maybe this is going out on a limb but it it possible we denied cutting our budget to satisfy their qualification? Fair to say we probably spend more than the current PL but they’re private and looking to improve the conference so letting us in makes sense for them.

    just a thought and maybe (probably?) out on a limb but if all true that the SoCon wanted us to cut budget and we didn’t, maybe we’re discrediting our Admin.

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      Anonymous

      also, always appreciate the content Mr. Spides

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    2. RollSpides Avatar

      Yeah that part we’ll never though, although Queallys comments on FB made it seem like we actively chose Patriot over Southern. But that still could’ve played a part. I do hope the Patriot adding UR shows they are truly to grow the conference to a top level and not just add a good member and see what happens. Requires both sides to be active. And thank you, appreciate the support

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    Anonymous

    Noone likes change, and the natural inclination is to go toward “efficient/obvious” solutions because it’s comfortable. Clearly, this decision is not a short term one. The landscape of the CAA has been on the decline since JMU excited and we all have seen it continue. The current roster of CAA members is weak and pointing in a similar direction. The CAA “all sports” members have always had the ear of the conference when it comes to decisions, and the “football only schools” have historically been the last opinion on items of concern. The Patriot League has been around for 43 years. So has the Southern. But when one reviews conference members, schedules, records, both the SOCon and PL have very similar results. For what it”s worth, my view is the PL is a better move for us, because we have the commitment of Hallock to continue to provide the resources we need to win. Secondly, I don’t think the PL is done with expansion and a conference of 10 to 12 could be awesome for all members, and lastly, recruiting student/athletes with talent/brains requires the presentation of a full/complete athletic/academic experience, which we clearly have at UR! So, take a deep breath, have some faith in our process and let the games begin! The program needs our support and I for one don’t intend to stop mine. GO SPIDERS!!!!!

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      Anonymous

      Prior remarks came from Mike Copley UR 1978

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      Thanks Mike – appreciate you chiming in. I agree that so much of this is based on assumptions of what PL will or won’t do. That to me is the key in the next month, and will be worth revisiting once more details arise. Go Spiders!

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    Anonymous

    I like the move. My biggest concern is that I don’t think Russ did a good job responding to the how this would impact recruiting. I wish he would have said that it shows that we’re not waiting around as the CAA diminishes and that the University of Richmond football team is a leader in FCS football. Have some attitude. Let people know that William & Mary and the other CAA schools are now reacting to us. This could turn out to be a great move but we could miss our opportunity to capitalize on it if we say things like “nothing else changes” and “we’ll see”.

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      Great point – I would’ve liked something like that from Russ as well, but with the President there who knows if he just had to say the talking points

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